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  • papap
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    Originally posted by uscjohnnymac View Post
    Your points on Demar are valid, and I basically say the same thing as he is ranked number four. It is hard to compare numbers from the 50s to now, but really the only difference is he doesn't have the postseason accomplishments or the All NBA honors.. As for the Reckless Russian, you need to go back to see my rankings of players careers at USC. I have him as first team all-time, and the second greatest Trojan ever. I appreciate the kind words.
    Again, I appreciate your efforts and agree for the most part with your breakdowns. Just wanted to make sure John Rudometkin got a mention since he was my first Trojan basketball idol. I admit I'm an unabashed DeMar fan, so I'm a little over the top, but it drives me crazy when there is even the suggestion that he doesn't belong in the Hall-of-Fame. Look at some of the guys that are already in the Hall and tell me he's not their equal or better. The careers of guys like Lou Hudson, Tim Hardaway, Sidney Moncrief and so many other members just don't compare with what DeMar has already accomplished. Since his rookie year when Chris Bosh was traded away, DeMar has been a marked man with defenses focused on him, especially in the playoffs, yet he has managed to put up great numbers and, while not always consistent in the playoffs, he's had some tremendous playoff games there too. He just hasn't had the supporting cast to make it to the top of the mountain. The Hall-of-Fame is littered with guys who've had very little postseason success and with guys who are not elite defenders, yet those justifications seem to be used constantly against DeMar as a justification of why he's not a Hall-of-Famer. DeMar is, to my mind, the definition of a pro's pro and someone who should be in the Hall when his time comes. I'm not sure I'll still be kickin when he becomes eligible, but if I am and he doesn't get voted in, I will be pissed.

    Again, sorry for my rant.

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  • uscjohnnymac
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    Your points on Demar are valid, and I basically say the same thing as he is ranked number four. It is hard to compare numbers from the 50s to now, but really the only difference is he doesn't have the postseason accomplishments or the All NBA honors.. As for the Reckless Russian, you need to go back to see my rankings of players careers at USC. I have him as first team all-time, and the second greatest Trojan ever. I appreciate the kind words.
    Last edited by uscjohnnymac; 09-11-2024, 10:04 AM.

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  • papap
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    Tremendous job and I appreciate all the hard work you've done. Obviously, like myself, you're a longtime Trojan basketball diehard. Enough of the sugar coating, I, with all due respect, do want to strongly disagree with a couple of your points.

    First, there is absolutely no way you can mention 17 USC players and not include John Rudometkin, the Reckless Russian. After spending one year at a JC, he played 3 years for the Trojans. He was the team MVP all three years. On the USC lists, he's 5th in career average points at 18.8 ppg and 4th in rebounds at 10.5 rpg. In 1961, he was an All-American and led USC to its last outright conference title in men's basketball. He was a second round pick of the Knicks and had a 5 year pro career which was cut short when he contracted Hodgkin's disease. I'm sure it was an oversight, but as someone who has followed USC hoops since 1959 and seen every player you talk about, John Rudometkin deserves more than just a mention.

    My second disagreement is that, while Bill Sharman, Paul Westphal and Gus Williams were tremendous players, the greatest USC basketball alumnus is DeMar DeRozan. While I could compare him to the other two in your top three, I'm only going to look at his basketball career in comparison to Bill Sharman. Frankly, their numbers aren't even close. Across the board, DeMar's numbers (i.e., points per game, shooting percentages, rebounds) are far superior to Sharman's. Even assists where, despite the fact that Sharman was a guard and DeMar has spent much of his career playing the 3, DeMar's numbers are better. By the time DeMar's career is over he will have scored almost twice as many career points as Sharman. Sharman and DeMar were both 6-time all-stars, the difference being that Sharman did it at a time when there were 8 teams in the league, DeMar has done it when there are 30 teams, making it much more difficult to be an all-star. You seem to base much of your argument on Sharman's postseason success and the lack of success DeMar's teams have had. Basketball is a team game. As you point out, Sharman's teams had minimal success until a guy named Russell arrived. Would Sharman have ever sniffed postseason success had he'd not played with Bill Russell and a number of other Hall-of-Famers? I tend to think not. Now, let's look at DeMar. Has he, in his career, ever played with someone who will make the Hall-of-Fame? Chris Bosh when he was a rookie, but that may be it. Kyle Lowery was a nice player, but probably not a Hall-of-Famer. The fact that DeMar's never had great players around him and that when he was on quality teams in Toronto, there was a guy named LaBron who stood in his way, should not diminish his accomplishments.

    The idea that DeMar, at this point, has slightly less than a 50-50 chance of making the basketball Hall-of-Fame is ludicrous. I'll make it simple, every player who is among the top 45 scorers in NBA history, who is eligible for the Hall-of-Fame, is in. DeMar is currently 31st. With a decent season this year and good health, he'll pass 25,000 points and move into the top 25 scorers. He's consistently competed at a high level, he's put up great numbers despite always being the player the other team has focused on defensively, he's avoided major injuries, been a team leader and a good citizen. He's not won a championship, nor has Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook or James Hardin, all of whom are considered first ballot Hall-of-Famers, and all of whom have played with far better supporting casts in their careers. Unless they hold DeMar to a far more stringent standard than many of the other Hall-of-Famers who I could name, he should be in, and Trojan fans should be strong advocates.

    Pardon my tirade and, again, thanks for your hard work. Fight On

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  • SCthe1
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    There was an awful lot of work that you put into this post and I can't thank you enough for this series and all of the previous series you have authored this offseason. I looked forward each time to seeing how my knowledge and recollections matched up to what you put on paper and I can say that I have learned a great deal.

    Fight on! Thanks for your contributions to this site johnnymac!

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  • History of SC Hoops- Top Pro Careers, #1 Bill Sharman


    It is difficult to say a player no one alive saw play, or at least no one under 85 years old, had the best pro career of any SC player, but the numbers speak for themselves when it comes to Sharman. One of the pioneers of the NBA, Sharman was a first team all American in 1950 along with future hall of famers Bob Cousy and Paul Arizin, but dropped to the 5th pick in the second round of the NBA draft, primarily because teams thought he would play baseball instead. Sharman played first base on SCs first Championship team in 1948 and did play 5 years in the Dodgers' farm system, but also played in 50-51 for the team that drafted him, the Washington Capitols. The team folded after Sharman's first year there, and he was picked up by the Fort Wayne Pistons in the dispersal draft, but Red Auerbach in his second year in charge of the Celtics traded for Sharman to pair with Cousy in the backcourt. Sharman was sixth man that first year, but the following year Red moved him into the starting line-up, and for the next eight years Sharman was the top shooting guard in the league. Adding him to the starting line up balanced out the Celtics offense, and in Sharman's first year as a starter he was an All Star and made NBA all second team. The following three years Sharman averaged 18 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, made three more all star teams, one more All NBA second team, an All NBA first team, and in 1956 tied 5th in MVP voting.

    While this four year run with the Celtics showed the player that Sharman was, the Celtics didn't do much. This was the end of the Mikan/Lakers era, as they won the Championship in 1952, 53 and 54, and the next two Championships were won by the Syracuse Nationals (later the 76er's) and the Philadelphia Warriors. The Celtics made it to the semi finals a couple of times, but never won the East, let alone the championship. That all changed when Auerbach, after the 1955–56 season, sent perennial All-Star Ed Macauley to the St. Louis Hawks along with the draft rights to Cliff Hagan for the second overall pick in the draft. The Rochester Royals had the first pick, so Red promised that the Celtics owner would send the highly sought-after Ice Capades show to Rochester if the Royals would let two time NCAA Champion Bill Russell slide to No. 2, which they did. Now the fast break oriented Celtics would be anchored by the greatest defensive player of all time, and Sharman's career would benefit greatly.

    So, in 56-57 Sharman started the season on a tear. In the first 16 games, he averaged 23.4 points a game, and the Celtics started 13-3, including a 10 game win streak. Pairing Russell with Cousy and Sharman was the perfect combination. For the year the Celtics would win the East, and Sharman would lead the team in scoring at 21 points a game, with 4.3 rebounds and 3.5 assists. Cousy would average 20 points with 7.5 assists, and Russell would average 14.7 points and 19.6 rebounds. That year the Celtics led the league in Points, FG attempts, Field Goals and rebounds, and were 2nd in assists. Sharman was again an All Star, and First Team All NBA for the second straight year.

    In the playoffs the Celtics swept away the Nationals to finally make the Finals, where they would face the loaded St Louis Hawks, led by the legendary Bob Pettit. The first game was at the Garden, and in a double overtime thriller Sharman would score 36 points, but Pettit would score 37 and the Hawks would take the first game on the road. Russell had a quiet first game, scoring 7 points and "only" 18 rebounds, but that would change. For the rest of the series Sharman would average 20 points a game, but Russell would average 14 points and an ungodly 24 rebounds a game, and the Celtics would win a two OT game seven at home to win their first ever championship.

    The League was now on notice that the Celtics were the team to beat, and the following year at age 31 Sharman would have his best season as a pro. For the year Sharman would again lead the Celtics in scoring at 22.3 points a game, which was 5th in the league, with 4.3 rebounds and 3 assists. He was again All NBA First Team, an All Star, and was 7th in the MVP voting. The Celtics again won the East and faced the Hawks in the Finals, but despite Sharman's 21.3 points and 4.5 rebounds a game the Celtics would lose the series in six.

    The following year the Celtics would keep it rolling, leading the league in points, rebounds, assists, and they would have the best record in the League. Sharman again led the team in scoring, at 20.4 per game. In their first playoff round they had a tough go, going seven games with Syracuse, but they made it through to the Finals, where they swept the Minn. Lakers in 4. In that series, Sharman averaged 22.5 points and 4 assists, scoring 29 points in the game 4 clincher on the road. He would again be First Team all NBA, and an All Star, and the next year would again be an All Star and 2nd Team All NBA as the Celtics won their third straight NBA Title. So, over a four year period from 56-57 to 60-61, Sharman would star for the Celtics, leading them in scoring at 21 points a game, shot 90% from the FT line, was named an All Star each year, All NBA First Team three times and Second Team once, went to the Finals four times, and won three Championships.

    The next year father time caught up with Sharman at 34 years old, as Sam Jones began to replace him as the shooting Guard on the now Russell run team. He averaged 19 points the first month and a half of the season, but injuries caught up with him and he only played 2 games mid December through mid January. Sharman did finally get to play a game in LA, as his last year in the league was the Lakers first in LA. He showed flashes the rest of the way, and in game 3 of the conference finals against Syracuse he went for 30, and in the close out game he went for 27 as the Celtics went on two win their third straight NBA Championship. Sharman would not play again, retiring before the start of the 61-62 season.

    The one thing that really set Sharman apart was his FT shooting, as he was the best FT shooter in the history of the league until Rick Barry 15 years later. In his 11 seasons, he finished first in FT % seven times, and was never lower than 4th. His .932 in the 58-59 season was the NBA record for 18 years until Ernie DiGregorio broke it with less than half the number of attempts, and to this day no one has shot a higher % than .932 with more attempts than Sharman's 367 in 58-59. When you add it all up, Sharman was an All Star eight consecutive years, was all NBA First Team four consecutive years, all Second Team three other times, FT% leader seven times, Won 4 NBA Championships, 3 of them in a row, is a Hall of Famer, and was named to both the NBA All 50 Team in 1996, and the NBA All 75 Team in 2021.I would love to be around long enough to see another SC player get close to this list of accomplishments, but it will be hard to match.










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