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  • We've Got Some Problems... What are they, can they be fixed?

    I won't belabor this last week of games. To put it simply, we played worse defense and worse offense, independently and simultaneous, than in any other three game stretch this season. Perhaps it's not surprising that these performances came on the heels of a covid pause and a second trip to the Bay Area in 5 days, including and followed by empty arenas.

    Obviously, it's a terrible look that everywhere else in the country (besides USC, UCLA & Stanford), schools -- and all professional sports franchises -- can figure out how to play with fans, but for some reason the most heavily vaccinated parts of the country, with a vaccine passport mandated for entry, can't figure this out. But, we're long past the time that covid interventions could somehow be justified based on data and analysis. So let's move on.

    In reality, it wasn't just the layoff and empty arenas that is ailing us. Some pretty obvious deficiencies which have been present all season finally got exposed. There are various ways of articulating these, including 3-point shooting offense and defense, but the main problem is our guard play. We lack a complimentary guard for Boogie Ellis, plain and simple. This has been stated on a few recent podcasts.

    Here is some data the illustrate the issue:

    No. 1: USC's 3-Point Shooting

    Prior to the games of this past week (i.e., through the Cal game), everyone on the team other than Isaiah Mobley (our top 3-point shooter) was shooting 33.6% from behind the arc. Boogie Ellis was right in line (and actually slightly below average) at 33.0%.

    However, during the 3-game stretch of this past week, there was essentially a team-wide collapse in 3-point shooting outside of Isaiah Mobley and Boogie Ellis. The rest of the team -- basically our "guards and wings" -- shot 8 for 33 from behind the arc: for 24.2%. That's less than three 3-pointers made per game by our non-Boogie guards and wings during this stretch. If you're wondering who hit those 3-pointers ... Drew Peterson made 6 of those 8.


    No. 2: USC Defending the 3-Point Line

    This is where it gets super ugly. Prior to this past week, USC's opponents were shooting 27.5% from behind the arc, basically allowing 6.3 3-pointers made on 23 shot attempts per game. However, this week, USC's opponents shot 46.8% from 3-point range, hitting almost 10 shots per game on about 21 attempts. The difference in allowing 27.5% shooting from behind to the arc and 46.8% from behind the arc is the difference between the 14th best 3-point FG% defense in college basketball and the DEAD LAST 358th 3-point FG% defense!

    That's a total collapse in guarding the 3-point line. You can say one game is an outlier and two games is a coincidence. But three games in a row is a trend.


    No. 3: Overall Defense by Guards & Wings

    There's an anecdotal piece here and a data piece here. On the anecdotal side, we all saw our guards and wings giving up lots of open looks from 3 and repeatedly allowing penetration by Oregon's perimeter guys; Drew, who is tall, but not quick of foot, was beaten repeatedly.

    The data also reflects the problem. In all of the games played prior to this past week (i.e., through the Cal game), USC had an effective Field Goal Defense of 40.6% (best in the nation) and allowed 0.87 points per possession, which was top 5 in the country.

    However, during the 3-game stretch of this past week, USC had an effective Field Goal Defense of 54.0% (which is would be around 324th in the nation) and allowed 1.01 points per possession, which which is equivalent to about 120th in the country. That is a dramatic fall in the quality of defense.

    So, let's take a look at what happened (this is where things get really, really ugly; so brace yourselves):

    In this 3-game stretch, USC faced 223 possessions while on defense, giving up an average of 1.01 points per possession.

    Among players who played 25 possessions or more during that stretch, the player who was on the court when the fewest points per possession were allowed was ....

    Reese Waters with 0.78 points per possession allowed on 63 defensive possessions.

    Isaiah Mobley, Boogie Ellis and Max were all in the range of allowing 1.00 to 1.02 points per possession. Drew and Vez were a bit worse at 1.05 & 1.06 points per possession allowed.

    And then there was Ethan. In 89 defensive possessions played, USC allowed 1.11 points per possession when Ethan was on the court -- this is 0.24 points per possession more than USC had been allowing prior to this stretch of games. And the main culprit actually wasn't Effective Field Goal Percentage allowed, although it was bad at 56.3%. The main culprit was actually lack of turnovers forced. USC forced turnovers on only 9.0% of possessions when Ethan was on the court. For perspective, the very worst turnovers forced percentage of any team in the country right now is North Dakota State which forces turnovers on only 12.4% of possessions. USC's defense with Ethan on the court during this stretch of games was approximately 30% worse than the very worst turnover-forcing defense of all of the 358 teams in Division 1 college basketball.


    Conclusion

    It is completely not fair to pin all the troubles of our team this past week on Ethan. The whole team, other than Isaiah Mobley, played poorly at various times. But the experiment with Ethan has not worked. The offense with Ethan on the court was not scoring (45.7% eFG% offense) and the defense was outright terrible: allowing 44.4% shooting from behind the arc and 50% shooting inside the arc, while only forcing turnovers on 9% of defensive possessions: the combination of allowing 56.4 eFG% defense and only forcing turnovers on 9% of possessions while on the court is absolutely miserable.

    There is no perfect solution here. The team clearly needs a starting guard to play next to Boogie, who can defend the perimeter, create shots on offense and hit open 3-pointers. Even on that last metric -- hitting open 3-pointers -- after starting the season hot, Ethan has now been shut out from behind the arc in 9 of the last 10 games, going 0/13 in those nine games.

    Unfortunately, USC does not have the player it needs. This past offseason was a miss on the portal for the proper compliment to Boogie; for a variety of reasons, including political ones involving the Compton Magic, the coaches felt constrained in who they could add to the team. As a result, USC passed on guys like KJ Simpson, Matt Bradley, Ian Martinez, Bryce Hamilton, and Terrell Brown, and didn't pursue Alfonso Plummer and Chris Lykes. The coaches now seem smart to have passed on Martinez (who I loved), Hamilton (who I didn't) and Lykes (who I was confused about). But it does seem we needed somebody.

    Reese Water was not that ideal fit for a compliment to Boogie. He's not really a ball handler and doesn't do much to create his own shot. He does, however, defend and he can hit 3s. I think he's the best option we have by far right now.

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    I will also add timely turnovers to this list. The number as a whole doesn’t seem so bad if you were just to glance at the box score…But single digit turnovers is a “magic” number stat for us. Last 3 games we’re in double digits there too. And they’re costly.

    vs Oregon…

    Down 7 in the 1st half…back to back turnovers Oregon scored on

    Down 12 in the second half…EA throws it away…Oregon Scores.

    Down 12 again later in the second half…Boogie turns it over…Oregon scores

    Down 11 with 2:00 min left…Drew turns it over…Oregon missed the FT when we fouled them in the bonus off that play…



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    • #3
      Timely turnovers were huge momentum killers.

      They often don’t show up in macro data, but when you’re playing on a knife’s edge, things like that are killer.

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      • #4
        Drew has regressed to his bad habit of jumping at everything on defense.

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        • #5
          How do you feel about White Chase - better or worse than Reese?

          - Max is fine to play as long as he's not taking threes.

          - Kobe played a lot of minutes last game, and imo he looked good. I LOVED when he just ripped the ball out of Dante's hands - I guess he offers the same as Reese right now since he's not good enough to replace Boogie at the point.

          - Drew and Vez's defense is worrisome as well. In P12 play, might be better to play Morgan against bigger lineups and double down on D - don't know what the solution to Drew is.

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          • #6
            Hey 2021.

            Originally posted by Trojan2021 View Post
            How do you feel about White Chase - better or worse than Reese?
            I have a big time soft spot for Isaiah White. I'm a huge fan.

            However, he hasn't been "right" this year. He brings excellent energy, but he's not really playing in the flow of the offense. I think right now he's really just there to give Isaiah Mobley a breather, and Reese is a better option for extended minutes. Also, even though they are about the same height, they are really different position types.


            Originally posted by Trojan2021 View Post
            Max is fine to play as long as he's not taking threes.
            Max's effectiveness really depends on the style of play of the opposing defense. Tough, physically teams cause Max lots of problems. Ultimately, in modern basketball, it's really hard to tell your wing not to take wide open 3s.


            Originally posted by Trojan2021 View Post
            Kobe played a lot of minutes last game, and imo he looked good. I LOVED when he just ripped the ball out of Dante's hands - I guess he offers the same as Reese right now since he's not good enough to replace Boogie at the point.
            I agree Kobe played well. Unfortunately, his overall effectiveness is somewhat limited, because he doesn't give us something we are really missing, which is a shooter to go along side Boogie. The team just didn't play well when Kobe was in there. I don't think that's his fault; but the team is what it is, and Kobe is not a big enough threat on his own to kind of restructure the team around him.

            Originally posted by Trojan2021 View Post
            Drew and Vez's defense is worrisome as well. In P12 play, might be better to play Morgan against bigger lineups and double down on D - don't know what the solution to Drew is.
            The data is pretty clear that Joshua Morgan has a significant positive impact on the defense, when he is in there. The problem is that against certain physical teams, the offense really suffers with Morgan in for Vez.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chase in Arizona View Post

              I have a big time soft spot for Isaiah White. I'm a huge fan.

              However, he hasn't been "right" this year. He brings excellent energy, but he's not really playing in the flow of the offense. I think right now he's really just there to give Isaiah Mobley a breather, and Reese is a better option for extended minutes. Also, even though they are about the same height, they are really different position types.
              While White hasn't looked great on the season as a hole - I think he looked great this week, so I think the question is worth bringing up again now. At least his energy has been a boon.

              Originally posted by Chase in Arizona View Post

              Max's effectiveness really depends on the style of play of the opposing defense. Tough, physically teams cause Max lots of problems. Ultimately, in modern basketball, it's really hard to tell your wing not to take wide open 3s.
              Yeah thats true, Max get's bullied in the physical games...

              Overall, looking at the box score from the Oregon game, our plight is less concerning that I originally thought:

              Ethan's stat line wasn't bad (only 1 TO, 1 AST vs. 2 TO, 1 AST for Max and Drew each) , I think he's entirely serviceable as a backup pg to Boogie (as you've mentioned). The defense is concerning.

              Net, we took TWO MORE shots than Oregon, which really surprised me. The difference was in the shooting percentage. So if we just get back to running teams off the 3 pt line like we used to, all should be well right?

              Another key factor, I believe fast break points favored them 22-11 - so turnovers specifically aren't killing us, its live ball TO that need to stop.

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              • #8
                2021, I think we agree on the same conclusion re: Ethan serving as a reserve for Boogie at the 1. I do think we need to be careful about making judgments based on so called “counting stats,” ie, the numbers you see in a traditional box score. For example, yes, Ethan scored 8 points, but four of those were with under 35 seconds left in garbage time and another basket was with 3:11 left with USC down by 13. Even with 3:11 to go, USC only had a 3% chance of winning per KenPom.

                So, we are talking about 8 points of counting stats, where 6 were statistically meaningless. Ethan had played 15 minutes of game action prior to that, and was 1/3 from field and 0/1 from the FT for 2 total points. At the same time, his advanced metrics were just atrocious on defense.

                And I agree about live ball turnovers being bad; Ethan also had one of those at a critical juncture.

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                • #9
                  Great analysis. New to the site - after years on the wearesc site. Great to find a free site to talk Trojan Hoops.

                  Enfield has had some great success over the past handful of years. But, the one criticism I think is valid is whether his teams truly find their identity.

                  This team is very long - but also relatively slow.

                  They ultimately out-talent and wear down most fast/slashing teams (OSU, LBSU, EKU, UC Irvine), but I'm often left wondering if they ever truly find their identity.

                  Against most of these fast teams, SC seems to often play up-tempo in the first half. I've even heard Enfield say on a few occasions their strategy is to fire 3 pointers and play up tempo much more in the first half.

                  Leaves me scratching my head against most of these fast, but undersized opponents. Why not play to your strength - slow down the game - limit possessions - and use your size and length in the paint from the opening tip?

                  The defense was atrocious against Oregon. Granted, Richardson couldn't miss - but most of his 3's were uncontested. I'd much rather see SC play a match up zone against teams like Oregon. Close out quick on 3's and force them to shoot over your length. If they can hit 10+ 3's on contested shots, nod your head and call it their night.

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